Post-Protestant Era? Kenneth Copeland Believes So

UPDATE
Video from Kenneth Copeland Ministers’ Conference on January 21st, 2014

Full video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehFpeVGLyxs

There continues to be a deep chasm between the Protestant doctrinal beliefs and those of Catholics:

Scriptural Salvation/Regeneration: by God’s grace through faith alone in Jesus Christ

RCC Salvation/Regeneration: through the RCC sacrament of baptism

Scriptural Sanctification: by God’s grace through obedience to God via Scripture

RCC Sanctification: good works, merited grace, sacraments (Eucharist, confession, etc); all sanctification is accomplished through RCC

In 1517, when Martin Luther nailed 95 theses to the door of a German church, the Roman Catholic Church did not appreciate his inquiries into their non-biblical religious practices. That was the starting point of the Reformation, a separation of the Protestants from the RCC.

The RCC has been apostate since about the year 300AD. They claim they are the true Church, that no one can be saved except through the Church.

See RCC Salvation chart for more information regarding the RCC’s Salvation Plan

A devout Catholic, Tom Peterson, has created a website, Catholics Come Home (CCH), whose purpose is to bring lapsed Catholics back into the RCC and to lure Protestants into the same snare. After clicking on the door, I Am Not Catholic, the website gives you the option of viewing their apologetics section which answers common questions.

One of the questions on the CCH site is the following:

Why do Catholics call Mary the Queen of Heaven? Doesn’t God rebuke the Israelites in the O.T. for worshipping a false goddess called the Queen of Heaven? Should we not refer to Mary with that title, therefore, since it is the title of a false goddess?

Their answer is:

In Jeremiah 7:18, God is indeed upset with the Israelites for worshipping a false goddess called the “queen of heaven”. However, just because God rebuked them for worshipping the false queen of heaven, doesn’t mean that we cannot pay honor to the true Queen of Heaven…the Blessed Mother.
That type of thinking would lead you to believe that just because people worship a false god that they call “god,” we, therefore, should not call the true God, by that same name…God…because that’s the same title the idolaters use for their god! That is faulty logic and it makes no sense whatsoever.

Again, the fact that there is a false “queen of heaven”, does not lead to the conclusion that we worship a false goddess when we call Mary the “Queen of Heaven.” Just as the fact that there is a false “god”, does not lead to the conclusion that we worship a false god when we call our Father in Heaven, God.

And there is a true Queen of Heaven, we see this quite clearly in Revelation 12:1, “And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars…” Let’s see. There’s a woman…she’s in Heaven…and she has a crown on her head. I could be wrong, but I don’t think it’s the maid! No! It is the true Queen of Heaven, Mary, the mother of the male child who is to rule the nations.

We do not worship Mary, we honor her, just as Jesus honors her. So, there is absolutely nothing wrong, from a scriptural point of view, in calling Mary the Queen of Heaven, and in honoring her just as Jesus honors her.

The Queen of Heaven is a false god. The “true Queen of Heaven” isn’t found anywhere in Scripture. Using the same defective analysis, we could draw the conclusion from IKings 18 that there is a true god of Baal, and the 450 prophets of Baal were mistakenly praying to the false Baal god.

In Revelation, John writes of a “great sign (or portent) in heaven”, of a woman (Mary) who gave birth to a Son (Jesus) Who was not consumed by the red dragon (satan). The Son then was “caught up unto God and to His throne” and the woman ran into the wilderness where she had a place prepared by God. The Son and the woman are not ruling in heaven together. That is a blatant lie fabricated by the RCC to keep its followers enslaved by false gods.

Other questions and answers on the CCH site are similar. The Catholics provide feeble responses to the serious questions that are introduced when comparing the infallibility of Scripture with the RCC traditions and sacraments. The RCC exegesis is analogous to a 10-year-old trying to justify his belief that the earth is flat.

Another way the Roman Catholics are trying to appeal to Protestants is through the Catholic Charismatic Renewal. The Catholic Charismatic Renewal (CCR) was started in 1967 by students and faculty members of a Catholic Pittsburgh university.

Some of the Catholics who were initially part of the CCR have been regenerated by the Spirit of God through faith in Jesus Christ alone, in direct conflict with the Catholic sacraments of baptism (Catholic salvation) and sanctification. They have left the Roman Catholic Church and its bondage to live their lives in the liberty of Christ.

Many others in the CCR continue to be identified as “Catholic Christians”, an oxymoronic expression that evidences the Protestant Pentecostal’s and Charismatic’s persistent ignorance of incompatible doctrinal beliefs.

Even though it is unmistakably obvious that the RCC beliefs are diametrically contrary to the biblical Protestant doctrines, many Protestants believe that through their efforts, “unity in the spirit” can be realized by means of “the baptism of the Holy Spirit”. But by which “spirit” is this unity achieved? The real Holy Spirit is the third person of the Godhead, the One Who leads us into truth, the One Who convicts sinners of their rebellion to the One true God and draws the sinner to repentance through Jesus Christ. The real Spirit of God does not exist in a person who has not been regenerated by that same Spirit. The Catholic holy spirit continues to bring sinners into the Roman Catholic Church so they may complete the sacramental works of a dead religion.

Kenneth and Gloria Copeland support the endeavors of this false spirit. As noted in this post, Tony Palmer is a former director of Kenneth Copeland Ministries (KCM) and has been invited by the RCC to minister to Catholics within the CCR. (See KCM article here) The Copelands have also traveled to the RCC in Italy on more than one occasion to minister. Since the Roman Catholic religion is poles apart from the biblical doctrines of salvation and sanctification, how could they possibly be invited by the RCC to teach the basic tenets of the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Anyone who financially supports the Copelands enables the Copeland’s efforts in assisting the RCC to dismantle the effects of the Reformation, with the purpose of ending the “protestant era”.

How will the “protestant era” supposedly “end”? The new pope, Francis I, is a Jesuit, a member of the Society of Jesus founded by Ignatius of Loyola who composed the Spiritual Exercises which are used by the Jesuits to this day. In becoming a Jesuit, all members of the Society of Jesus including Pope Francis, must take the Extreme Oath of Induction. Do not click on the sources of the Extreme Oath if you do not wish to see the graphically vivid wording. Part of the blood oath is posted here:

I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition… (Source 1; Source 2 pages 22-23)

Anyone who is not Roman Catholic is to be “exterminated”. Pope Francis likely will not go to such lengths to remove the Protestants etc., but he absolutely is not pro-unity. He will appear to be so, but beware. He is quoted as saying:

It makes me think that the Paraclete makes all the differences in the Churches and seems to be an apostle of Babel. But, on the other hand, [the Holy Spirit] is the one who makes unity of these differences, not in equality, but in harmony. I remember the Church Father who defined it thus: ‘Ipse harmonia est.’ This Paraclete who gives, to each of us, different gifts, unites us in this Church community that worships the Father, the Son, and Him, the Holy Spirit.”(Source) (bolding added)

The division between the Catholics and Protestants continues to be strong, from the time of the Reformation to this present day. God has irrevocably mandated His plan of salvation and that cannot and will not be changed by man’s whim of “unity in the spirit”.

The Holy Spirit Whirlpool

The Bible clearly states in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 that the Antichrist will be revealed in the last days:

Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

Who this “son of perdition” is, no one knows. But we do know that many Christians are being deceived, caught up in a fuzzy whirlpool of good feelings, false unity, and muddled spirituality.

Included in this apostate whirlpool is Rick Warren. He recently made it even more clear that he is biblically unhinged when he encouraged Christians to pray for the 115 cardinals, who were selecting the new pope, that they would “seek(ing) God’s will in a new leader”. Do Not Be Surprised has an interesting article about Warren’s support of Catholics Come Home, a Catholic group that uses broadcast media in order to evangelize and inspire inactive Catholics to come back “home”.

Another player in the whirlpool is Kenneth Copeland. His aberrant doctrines include the ransom theory (God sent Jesus in order to reclaim the planet earth from satan) and the prosperity theory (name-it-claim-it). His teachings are quite liberal, although his followers (Charismatics and Pentecostals) would say he’s a conservative. In this article on KCM.org a former KCM director, Tony Palmer, who is involved in Catholic Charismatic Renewal (CCR) and also an official member of a Roman Catholic Ecumenical Delegation for Christian Unity and Reconciliation, is interviewed by BVOV, Believer´s Voice of Victory, Copeland’s magazine. KCM and the Copelands have maintained a strong pro-Catholic partnership with him. Palmer knows the new pope, Francis I, and in fact considers him his spiritual father and prayer partner. Palmer reveals that

…when he (Pope Francis) was introduced during a large Christian meeting in Buenos Aires where over 5,000 evangelical protestant leaders were in attendance, Pope Francis (then Cardinal Bergoglio) knelt down in front of the evangelical pastors and asked them to lay hands on him and bless him! Every year, as Cardinal, he would join his evangelical brothers (pastors) for their annual weeklong retreat—not as a guest speaker to teach, but as one of them… He always tells me that we all need to live like Jesus. It’s all about Jesus!

…During our times together, we have spoken about our shared pain of the division of Christians, and together we have shared both tears and prayers for her healing—the one Bride of Christ…

…The time of “spiritual apartheid” is coming to an end, and I believe Pope Francis will be one of the proponents of its demise. We have a worldwide charismatic movement of the renewal of the Holy Spirit within the Catholic Church… We now live in a post-Protestant era with a pope who openly embraces his brothers and sisters of all Christian denominations… Diversity is divine, but division is diabolic. It’s time to celebrate diversity in the bond of unity. We are one Bride, one Body in one Baptism. (emphasis added)

Supposedly the Holy Spirit is the common denominator in bringing the Protestants and Catholics together. Since when does the word of God declare that Christians who are new creatures in Christ Jesus are spiritually compatible with those who reject justification in Christ alone and teach their billion plus followers that salvation is through the Catholic church, the priests and the sacraments? The infallible word of God doesn’t teach any such thing.

Here in Mexico, evangelical missionaries have come in the past to stay with me while they have their Charismatic meetings. (For the record, they no longer stay with me.) A few years ago a missionary couple came back to my house after preaching at a local church service. They told me that there were two women who received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I responded, “But I know them and they aren’t even Christians!”. The preaching couple didn’t care that they weren’t Christians, they just continued to tell people how “God had moved” in the service and the two women, along with others, had been speaking in tongues. I was quite appalled, but come to find out, Charismatics believe that anyone can be baptized in the Holy Spirit as long as they can “speak in tongues”.

In the Copeland article, Palmer says

Pope Francis is openly supportive of the work of the Holy Spirit and the Charismatic renewal, and in his choosing of Saint Francis’ name, he promises to continue to support what the Holy Spirit has begun.

I see. So as long as the “Holy Spirit” is working in people’s lives, the relationship (or lack of a relationship) with God doesn’t matter. That’s a whirlpool I’d rather not step in.

Common Errors in Biblical Interpretation Exposed

An article from cicministry.org:

Common Errors in Biblical Interpretation Exposed

Ways the Scriptures are Often Misinterpreted
by Bob DeWaay

The Bible, history’s most published, studied, translated and quoted book, is also its most misused and misinterpreted book. Cults and false religions use it to their own ends and others simply misinterpret it. That this occurs so often leads many to assume the Bible has no clear meaning. This is a false assumption. That any given passage is misunderstood, purposely or otherwise, does not demonstrate that the author of the passage had no clear meaning in mind. Nor does it follow that the readers cannot discern this meaning. In this article we will expose common errors in Biblical interpretation and show how to avoid them. Continue Reading…

Beck Rally Set Stage for Christians to Accept Paganism

From WorldViewWeekend.com

Posted: 08/30/10

 

Glenn Beck Rally Set Stage for “Christians” to Accept Paganism, and Mormons Say Beck Achieved 200 Year Goal of Getting Evangelicals to Declare That Mormons Are Christians

by Brannon S. Howse

www.worldviewweekend.com

I tried to warn evangelical leaders about Glenn Beck’s rallies but most of them laughed at me. Now Satan is the one laughing at them as “Christians” run head-long into embracing non-Biblical theology and call it “Christian”.  

Greg West in the Mormon LDS Examiner validates my pre-Beck rally warnings to Evangelical leaders on my radio program, columns, e-mails, and phone conversations. I told them that partnering with Beck in a spiritual enterprise would send the message that Mormons are Christians.

Greg West writes:  

As a Mormon, I have to consider an unintended message throughout Beck’s work, which has culminated in this event. That message is: “Mormons are Christian believers.” Despite nearly two centuries of misrepresentation and religious envy by sectarian Christianity, Beck has achieved the visibility, prominence, and has had the time day after day, week after week, to speak openly and truly about his core beliefs. Those statements of faith have disoriented and confused those who had previously believed the lies about Mormons.

Jim Garlow, a popular and influential pastor who partnered with the Mormon faithful in California to defend traditional marriage was quoted recently in CNN’s Belief Blog, saying, “I have interviewed persons who have talked specifically with Glenn about his personal salvation – persons extremely well known in Christianity – and they have affirmed (using language evangelicals understand), ‘Glenn is saved…’ He understands receiving Christ as Savior.”

Hallelujah! The light bulb has been switched on after nearly two centuries! Every single member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes that a person must be “born again” and receive Jesus Christ as his Savior and Redeemer. Our holy books teach that salvation comes only in and through the atonement of Christ and that there is no other way a person can be saved…Glenn Beck’s beliefs are mainstream Mormon beliefs. Joseph Smith, the Church’s founder, was a Christian prophet. He was an apostolic witness of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
http://www.examiner.com/lds-church-in-national/glenn-beck-and-the-restoring-honor-rally

Notice that West admits that what Beck has said on his broadcasts about his faith has “disoriented and confused” people who thought that Mormonism was not consistent with Christianity. However, Beck has now convinced them that Mormonism and Christianity are compatible with the help of America’s Christian leaders.    

The actor Kirk Cameron is the only one I personally know of that took to heart my pre-Beck rally warnings and reversed himself. Kirk really encouraged me when I needed it by calling to thank me for the column and sharing with me how it helped him understand why he must not take part in Beck’s 8-27 event. Kirk even had the courage to come on my national radio program and speak about this issue publically.

The irony is rather thick. Kirk played “Buck Williams” in the Left Behind Movies. Buck was a famous secular journalist who became a believer and then set out to warn Christians not to accept the demonic spirituality of a one-world religion that was unfolding through national and international figures.

I believe what happen over the weekend was a seismic shift within evangelicalism; an historic event that will go unnoticed by most Christian leaders.  A few leaders may eventually understand the nature of what happen but it will be weeks if not months before they respond. Many of these leaders waited years to provide the defense against Oprah’s pagan spirituality and when they did it was too late for many of the goats within their flock of sheep that had already consumed Oprah’s spiritual poison.

Sadly, most Christian leaders and pastors are completely deficient in understanding the ideas and philosophies that have, and continue, to be the force behind the rushing cultural stream. As a result; the members of their own congregation hear no advanced warning of the coming spiritual undertow nor do they acquire the needed Biblical knowledge that keeps them from being children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, (Ephesians 4:14).  

 The compromise by evangelical leaders and pastors by spiritually uniting with “all faiths” with the theme of “looking to the one god”, as described by Beck, has laid the foundation for untold numbers of self-professing Christians to now embrace pluralism and pagan spirituality. Pastors and evangelical leaders literally locked arms with all faiths, including Imams, in a spiritual endeavor despite the clear Biblical warnings of II Corinthians 6:14.

The Mormon Church is now rejoicing over the public relations success that these undiscerning evangelical leaders have handed the Mormon Church by uniting with Glenn Beck in the two events that were promoted as spiritual. 

I believe that Beck does not only embrace the pagan spirituality of Mormonism but also Cosmic Humanism. Cosmic Humanism is known by most as the New Age Movement. Cosmic Humanism says that man is god. Mormonism says that man can become god. See the similarities? Before you react listen to what Glenn Beck said on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace on the Fox News Channel. Glenn Beck said that his rally was not political and the reason for his rally was because “there’s nothing that we can do that will solve the problems that we have and keep the peace unless we solve it through God, unless we solve it in being our highest self. Be your higher-self.”

Beck used the phrase “higher self” three times in the interview with Chris Wallace.  No one talks that way unless they know exactly what they are saying. One New Age website says:

There are many great words to describe Who or What your highest identity or Self truly is. Below are just a few: Higher Self, I am Presence, I Am That I Am…Cosmic Consciousness, God, Christ, Holy Spirit And the list goes on…

Notice that “I AM that I AM” is another word for “higher self”. Last week on his radio program Beck said, “I Am That I Am is the most powerful phrase in any language as it is the name of god, never use it in vain; use it to create who you want to be. I AM blank.”

I AM is a title that is to be reserved for God Himself. In Exodus 3:13 God told Moses that when the people of Israel ask for My name tell them, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.'” In John 8:58 we read, “Jesus said to them, ‘Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.'”
“I AM” is to be reserved as a title for God yet it is being blasphemed in the pagan practice of what is called “the law of attraction.” In the book The Secret, that was promoted by none other than Oprah Winfrey, Rhonda Byrne wrote:

• The law of attraction is the law of creation….You create your life through your thoughts.” [p. 15.]
• There isn’t a single thing that you cannot do with this knowledge. It doesn’t matter who you are or where you are, The Secret can give you whatever you want. [P. xi]
• With this powerful knowledge, you can completely change every circumstance and event in your entire life…” [p. 17]

The fact that people like Beck on the right and Oprah on the left are proclaiming the “I AM” message is a sign that we are living in the last days according to Jesus Himself in Luke 21:7-8:

And they asked Him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass? And he said, “Take heed that yet be not deceived: for many will come in My name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near; go ye not therefore after them.”

Former New Ager, now Biblical Christian, Ray Yungen writes:

Notice, “Christ” is italicized in verse 8, meaning that it was not in the original manuscript. The translators of the King James Bible probably thought it awkward that it said “Many shall come saying, I am.” Probably for the sake of clarity and to be consistent with Mathew 24, the translators added the word “Christ.”

Did you catch that? Jesus was saying that when people say they are god by using the title “I AM” it is a sign that we are living in the end times. We are also told to run away from the people saying “I AM”. Sadly, many of our nation’s pastor’s and Christian leaders did not run from Glenn Beck but ran to join him in a spiritual service and enterprise.

Beck on his radio program last week also declared, “Hell is an eternity of regret not being able to forgive yourself.”  This is a completely unbiblical statement. Nowhere in the Bible do we see instruction to “forgive yourself” because it is impossible. 2 Corinthians 5:15 says, “He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again.” Verse 17 is what brings me peace since I have repented of my sins and placed by faith and trust in the Jesus of the Bible. “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.”

Grace and forgiveness is provided to those who repent and therefore there is no need to believe the lie that you can “forgive yourself” of your sins.

Glenn Beck has accomplished what neither Oprah Winfrey nor Shirley McClain could. I believe that Beck used his conservative veneer and doublespeak to co-opt leaders of the religious right. Beck and these evangelical leaders have sent the message that it is acceptable for millions of “Christians” to embrace humanistic spirituality and paganism for the purpose of social activism and social change. These pastors should re-read Luke 17:2 where we read; “It  would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.”

Beck has set the stage for “conservatives” to accept a one-world religion and numerous leaders of the religious right pulled the ropes that raised the curtain on this ecumenical stage. Christian leaders that should have known better nodded in agreement and provided the backdrop as Beck preached his sermon of pluralism and universalism on 8-27 and 8-28.

Perhaps sooner, rather than latter, the world will be in massive economic, political, and spiritual chaos and a leader will step on to the world stage and this anti-Christ will call for the religions of the world to unite and embrace spirituality. He will declare that he is not about politics but about bringing peace, unity, faith, hope, charity, stability, freedom, and prosperity under the common god of all religions. This world leader will perform counterfeit miracles signs and wonders and those who reject Biblical truth will follow him [2 Thessalonians 2:9-12] and embrace his plan for restoring honor.  

If I had told you five years ago that a “conservative” radio and TV personality would have millions of viewers, would talk about the spiritual battle being waged in America, would be a self-confessed member of a cult, would quote New Age phrases, would call for Christians and conservatives to look to the “one god”, would seek to unite all faiths and would convince dozens of evangelical pastors and leaders to support him in a spiritual service-you would say I was writing fiction and that this would never happen.

Do you now understand the magnitude of the spiritual shift that occurred this past weekend? The millions that see nothing wrong with the messages of Beck’s 8-27 and 8-28 rallies reveal that the religious left and the religious right will be easily merged  together in the coming one world religion under the coming one-world spiritual leader as prophesied in Revelation 17:8.

Ephesians 5:11 commands all Christians to “have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.” That is exactly what we have done and will continue to do in spite of e-mails and voice messages that are filled with cursing and insults. Our response must simply be, “Have I become your enemy because I tell you the truth?” [Galatians 4:16]

Mormon Doctrine in Animated Video

The following YouTube video clearly shows the huge difference between biblical Christianity and Mormonism (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints or LDS). Remember this is the basis for Glenn Beck’s beliefs for his “American Revival Tours” or “Glenn Beck’s Divine Destiny” program. Don’t get caught up in this pseudo-theology.

Description:

…Mormons have been complaining that these [info from the video] are not taught by their religion, but a source of this video provided references to mormon literature for every claim made in the vid:

0:20 – 0:45 King Follett Discourse (History of the Church Vol 6 pg 302-317)

0:54 – 1:00 abraham 3

1:03 – 2:20 Gospel Principles Ch2-3

2:20 – 2:35 Official Statement by 1st presidency 08/17/49 and 08/17/51 and Joseph Fielding Smith in Doctrines of Salvation 1:65-66 2nd Nephi 5:21

2:38 – Gospel Princ Manual Ch3

2:40 – Pre 1982 2Nephi 30:6

2:44 – no longer taught he said early mormon profits… Brigham young journal of discourses vol 1 pg 50-51 and Wilford Woodruffs journal

3:20 – The seer pg 172, brigham young journal of discourses vol 1 p 346 orson hyde journal journal of discourses, vol 2 p 210

3:28 – D&C 113 and Isa 11

3:32 – Journal of Discourses 13:309

3:41 – 3Nephi

4:03 – 4 Nephi, Moroni

4:20 – 4:30 Moroni 10

4:37 – 4:50 State of NY VS Joseph Smith “The Glass Looker” other Court Documents

4:43 – 4:50 [In the years]1826-1830 convicted of fraud, admitted “peep stoning” [or using a “seer stone”] was fake.

5:01 – Joe Smith History 1:19

5:16 – 5:21 Howard W hunter “your temple recommend” New Era Apr 1995, 6

5:22 Russell M Nelson “Spirit of Elijah” Ensign Nov 1994, 84 and D&C 128, 138:33

5:27 – D&C 132:17-20

5:36 – Robert L Millet, “Joseph Smith among the prophets” Ensign Jun 1994, 19

5:49 – :52 D&C 132

6:03 – Hist of the Church Vol pg 408-412

6:12 – He died in a shootout

Glenn Beck – Are You Really A Mormon?

What do Mormons — and Glenn Beck — really believe? Watch this video from Todd Friel of Way of the Master Radio to find out.

Or read the transcript that follows.

Glenn Beck…

Glenn, if I said “I believe you live in the state of New York” and you say “Hey! I believe I live in the state of New York too, but in MY mind I believe the state of New York is actually in the south of France”, you’d say “You’re believing in the wrong state of New York” and then utimately we don’t believe in the same thing. One of us has it wrong.

Glenn, we can use the same words but if they have different meanings, well then we don’t believe the same thing.

Glenn Beck video, Beck speaking:

That’s where the deeds come in; it’s the change of heart. May I quote the book of James 2:20 “But wilt thou know oh vain man that faith without works is dead.” What does that mean? Our work is a demonstration of our faith.

Amen! We believe that! We believe that we get saved and then everything that we do after that is good, by the power of the Holy Spirit, and by the way we must agree on Who that is too. By the power of the Holy Spirit we do good works, demonstration of our salvation, not to earn our salvation. You and I agree, Glenn, but we got a third party involved here. You believe that you are a Mormon.

This is what Mormons believe about the atonement, this is what they believe about justification, this is what the Mormon church in their words teaches about works.

Here we go. Number 1:

1. Jesus paid for all our sins when He suffered in the Garden of Gethsemane. (Laurel Rohfling, “Sharing Time: The Atonement”, Friend, Mar. 89, p. 39)

Now this isn’t a huge one, but it’s more than suffering in the Garden of Gethsemane, says orthodox Christianity. He suffered in the Garden, oh that’s true, but also the beating and He suffered on the cross. Not only that, He also suffered before that by setting aside His right to be God, to using those attributes, so that He could be identified with us. So we’ve got a distinction straight away, but there’s more.

Number 2:

2. We accept Christ’s atonement by repenting of our sins, being baptized, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, and obeying all the commandments. (Gospel

Okay, see the subtle distinction here. We believe, orthodox Christians, by grace alone, faith alone, and Jesus alone. We repent, we trust Him, all sins — past, present, and future — are forgiven. And then we get baptized because we want to be identified with Him because we HAVE been saved. The Holy Spirit happens, He dwells in us when we get saved, and He’s actually working on us before that, and we obey the commands, not for the atonement, but BECAUSE of the atonement.

Number 3: Mormons teach that

3. One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God; that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation. (Miracle of Forgiveness, Spencer W. Kimball, p. 206)

Glenn, your church would be telling you that you have just taught the doctrine of satan. So I would ask you Glenn, where you at, man? Where are you at? Are you a Mormon or are you an orthodox Christian? Are you believing in grace alone, which is what Christianity teaches, or are you believing in works? ‘Cause, Glenn, something is off here. Something’s off. Either the words you’re saying, you don’t believe and you’re tricking us, or the words that you’re saying, you believe them and you’re not a Mormon. Which is it?

Number 4:

4. A plan of salvation was needed for the people of earth so Jesus offered a plan to the Father and and Satan offered a plan to the Father but Jesus’ plan was accepted. In effect the Devil wanted to be the Savior of all Mankind and to “deny men their agency and to dethrone god” (Mormon Doctrine p. 193; Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 8)

Actually it was God’s prearrangement plan (Acts 4). Before all of eternity we don’t have anything of competing plans; this was God’s plan to rescue the souls of men with the death of Jesus on the cross. That is the ONLY plan.

Number 5:

5. Jesus’ sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions). (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, 1856, p. 247)

Glenn, which is it? Did Jesus forgive all your sins, or are you trying to work it out? Do you disagree with Mormonism or with Christianity?

Number 6:

6. Good works are necessary for salvation. (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 92)

No, Glenn, what you just said is good works happen because of salvation.

Number 7:

7. There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God. (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 188)

This is a radical difference. Jesus? Or Jesus plus?

Number 8:

8. The first effect [of the atonement] is to secure all mankind alike, exemption from the penalty of the fall, thus providing a plan of General Salvation. The second effect is to open a way for Individual Salvation whereby mankind may secure remission of personal sins. (Article of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 78-79)

This isn’t what the Bible teaches. This is a form of universalism. The Bible says that Jesus died — yes, you can say for the whole world, but the whole world isn’t forgiven. The whole world is not atoned for, the whole world is not redeemed, only those who have repented and put their trust in Jesus Christ.

Number 9:

9. This grace is an enabling power that allows men and women to lay hold on eternal life and exaltation after they have expended their own best efforts. (LDS Bible Dictionary, p. 697)

 Mormonism clearly teaches you do your best; Jesus does the rest. They say so clearly.

Number 10:

10. We know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do. (2 Nephi 25:23)

The Bible teaches there is nothing we can do that is good and everything we do is BAD. We don’t contribute some, and Jesus does the rest. Our best has been dog vomit. It has been the stench of an open grave. It has been the puss of an open sore. Everything we do is rotten to the core and Jesus still is willing to forgive it, all to those who repent and put their trust in Him.

By grace are you saved through faith; it is a gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast. [Eph. 2:8-9]  By grace are you saved through faith, and that not of yourself, doing your best and Jesus does the rest. Not of works so anyone can boast.

Glenn, it is my sincere hope that you, sir, have repented and put your trust in Jesus Christ for the complete atonement, the complete forgiveness of sins. I really WANT that! I don’t to squabble with you and bicker over this stuff! I want you to have believed that so your sins can be forgiven.

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Mark Chironna: Jesus Was CREATED

In this video, Mark Chironna (New Ager, life coach, motivational speaker, TBN host) claims that Jesus was spoken into existence by God the Father. He did not exist as God in the beginning. Scripture contradicts Chironna in the 1st Chapter of John

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. … And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us…

Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

Chironna teaches a different Jesus, a motivational Jesus, an emotional Jesus who makes one “feel good”. Chironna’s Jesus has absolutely no power; it is a false god.

Do Not Be Deceived.

The Prophetic Glasses Movement

From Christian Research Service by Bud Press

The Prophetic Movement teaches its followers that they can live in perfect health. If that is true, why are so many wearing glasses?

Manasseh Jordan: Man of God or Prophet of Baal?

Manasseh Jordan is a protegé of Benny Hinn, a young man who has a healing ministry and is highly gifted in manipulation. In the following video, you can see his propensity for drama, his “pushiness”, his flair for “words of knowledge”.

Benny Hinn pushes people in order to “slay” them in the spirit, but Jordan’s manner is startling. Hinn seemed surprised by his rudeness. Is he another Todd Bentley in the making?

More regarding Jordan from Slaughter of the Sheep:

Manasseh Jordan has some serious delusions of grandeur going on. His self-promotion is antithetical to the humble spirit exhibited by the apostle Paul who sought to know nothing but Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

Manasseh Jordan serves Manasseh Jordan, as is evidenced by the following video. We don’t have to ponder how wonderful he thinks he is, he’ll tell us himself.

Rick Warren Supports Metaphysical, New Age “Gospel”

Rick Warren has written the foreword of a new book coming out in October entitled “Driven by Destiny” by Dr. LaVerne Adams, which Reveals 12 Secret Keys to Transform the Future.

From the book’s website http://www.drivenbydestinynow.com/

 Have you ever taken a destiny detour? If you constantly wrestle with feelings of distraction, frustration, and defeat, these are dangerous signals that you are going in the wrong direction! No matter where life has taken you, NOW you can be guided toward the location and the exact positioning of your divine destiny.

It’s not too late…your destiny awaits.

In this helpful destiny travel guide, your future is presented as a “metaphorical journey” through divine dimensions that usher you into revelation, realization, and realignment with your purpose in life. This dynamic journey to transformation will get on the right road to fulfilling your destiny and cause you to be fully engaged in this dynamic process.

This destiny roadmap is your vehicle to a better life to help you to:

DIALOGUE with the Creator about your divine purpose

DISCERN the road blocks and detours to your destiny

DISCOVER the hidden riches and secrets on the inside of you

DEVELOP new disciplines to help you live the life of your dreams

There is no need to wait! Start today and cross the bridge to a dynamic future as you chart a new course. Activate the keys found in this book and you’ll discover the secret to living a life Driven by Destiny!

Sound familiar? This could be taken from Warren’s sermons and Purpose Driven Life book. The material is rehashed metaphysical, New Age psycho-babble that is disguised as “Christian” because “divine” is mentioned. God or Jesus Christ are not part of this “metaphorical journey”.

There is not even a slight mention of Jesus Christ and His atonement for sins on the cross. Not a word in the fluff piece of Jesus Christ as the ONLY Way to the One True God. Not even a reference to God. I don’t know if Ms Adams is a Christian (probably not considering the rotten fruit coming from her pen), but Mr. Rick Warren (and Mr. John Piper) has a lot of explaining to do.

John Piper invited Warren to his Desiring God conference this year. In this video Piper said he was on the phone with Warren and wrote down what Warren says about the Gospel of Jesus Christ:

The Bible is totally inerrant and valuable in every way
Penal substitution is of the essence of the Gospel
God is sovereign and central over all
People are lost; they’re going to hell. I (Warren) am not a universalist; I am an evangelist
The office of women elders and pastors – the Bible says it shouldn’t happen, I’m committed to the Bible, therefore we’re not going to go there.
Repentance – I totally believe in the necessity of repentance and I totally am committed to the call for repentance, though I may not use the word as often as some would want me to.
Emergent Church – I am not emergent

Ms. Adams is a pastor as you can see on this website. What happened to Warren’s assurances to Piper that “the Bible says it shouldn’t happen, I’m committed to the Bible, therefore we’re not going to go there“? Obviously Warren could care less that Adams is a pastor or what her beliefs are. Is he only trying to get his name in as many publications as possible?

And what about Piper? What’s his excuse for promoting Warren who is does not believe that “penal substituion is of the essence of the Gospel“? Warren actions clearly show his proclivity toward New Age beliefs, NOT inerrant scriptural doctrine.

Related Articles:

Rick Warren, Driven By Destiny? by Christine Pack and Cathy Matthews – Sola Sisters

Rick Warren Promoting More Me-Centered Mysticism by Pastor Joel Taylor – 5ptsalt.com