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Rick Warren Supports Metaphysical, New Age “Gospel”

Posted by susanb99 on July 7, 2010

Rick Warren has written the foreword of a new book coming out in October entitled “Driven by Destiny” by Dr. LaVerne Adams, which Reveals 12 Secret Keys to Transform the Future.

From the book’s website http://www.drivenbydestinynow.com/

 Have you ever taken a destiny detour? If you constantly wrestle with feelings of distraction, frustration, and defeat, these are dangerous signals that you are going in the wrong direction! No matter where life has taken you, NOW you can be guided toward the location and the exact positioning of your divine destiny.

It’s not too late…your destiny awaits.

In this helpful destiny travel guide, your future is presented as a “metaphorical journey” through divine dimensions that usher you into revelation, realization, and realignment with your purpose in life. This dynamic journey to transformation will get on the right road to fulfilling your destiny and cause you to be fully engaged in this dynamic process.

This destiny roadmap is your vehicle to a better life to help you to:

DIALOGUE with the Creator about your divine purpose

DISCERN the road blocks and detours to your destiny

DISCOVER the hidden riches and secrets on the inside of you

DEVELOP new disciplines to help you live the life of your dreams

There is no need to wait! Start today and cross the bridge to a dynamic future as you chart a new course. Activate the keys found in this book and you’ll discover the secret to living a life Driven by Destiny!

Sound familiar? This could be taken from Warren’s sermons and Purpose Driven Life book. The material is rehashed metaphysical, New Age psycho-babble that is disguised as “Christian” because “divine” is mentioned. God or Jesus Christ are not part of this “metaphorical journey”.

There is not even a slight mention of Jesus Christ and His atonement for sins on the cross. Not a word in the fluff piece of Jesus Christ as the ONLY Way to the One True God. Not even a reference to God. I don’t know if Ms Adams is a Christian (probably not considering the rotten fruit coming from her pen), but Mr. Rick Warren (and Mr. John Piper) has a lot of explaining to do.

John Piper invited Warren to his Desiring God conference this year. In this video Piper said he was on the phone with Warren and wrote down what Warren says about the Gospel of Jesus Christ:

The Bible is totally inerrant and valuable in every way
Penal substitution is of the essence of the Gospel
God is sovereign and central over all
People are lost; they’re going to hell. I (Warren) am not a universalist; I am an evangelist
The office of women elders and pastors – the Bible says it shouldn’t happen, I’m committed to the Bible, therefore we’re not going to go there.
Repentance – I totally believe in the necessity of repentance and I totally am committed to the call for repentance, though I may not use the word as often as some would want me to.
Emergent Church – I am not emergent

Ms. Adams is a pastor as you can see on this website. What happened to Warren’s assurances to Piper that “the Bible says it shouldn’t happen, I’m committed to the Bible, therefore we’re not going to go there“? Obviously Warren could care less that Adams is a pastor or what her beliefs are. Is he only trying to get his name in as many publications as possible?

And what about Piper? What’s his excuse for promoting Warren who is does not believe that “penal substituion is of the essence of the Gospel“? Warren actions clearly show his proclivity toward New Age beliefs, NOT inerrant scriptural doctrine.

Related Articles:

Rick Warren, Driven By Destiny? by Christine Pack and Cathy Matthews – Sola Sisters

Rick Warren Promoting More Me-Centered Mysticism by Pastor Joel Taylor – 5ptsalt.com

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Jesus’ Death and Resurrection

Posted by susanb99 on April 11, 2009

Isaiah 53:3-5

He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

John 20:1-18

The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.

So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.

And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.

Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,

And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.

For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.

Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.

But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,

And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.

And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.

Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.

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Blasphemy Incorporated

Posted by susanb99 on March 24, 2009

From Christian Research Service:

BLASPHEMY INCORPORATED

Terms and Catch-Phrases of the Ungodly
by Bud Press, Director
Christian Research Service
www.christianresearchservice.com/
March 23, 2009

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blaspheme
to speak irreverently of God or
sacred things; utter impieties
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Thousands of years ago, Satan, a former anointed cherubim angel, was convinced he could raise his throne above the stars of God and make himself like the Most High. But his hopes of ruling over Almighty God and the universe He created was only a pipe dream. God clearly demonstrated Who was in charge and booted Satan and one-third of the angels out of heaven (Ezekiel chapter 28; Genesis chapter 3; Isaiah chapter 14; Revelation chapter 12).

Satan’s efforts to play wiser than God backfired. It was a costly decision on his part, as well as those he conned into following him. Currently, Satan roams the earth roaring like a lion seeking to kill and destroy, and is the first blasphemer recorded in God’s written word, the Bible (1 Peter 5:8; Genesis chapter 3).

But Satan’s days are numbered. His fate, and the fate of those who follow him is sealed (Revelation 20:1-10).

Throughout the ages, blasphemers have come from all walks of life, races, and religious belief systems. Although the word blasphemer brings to mind the atheist, a New Age UFO cult-leader, or a shrewd, egg-headed man in Siberia who claims to be “Jesus Christ,” oddly enough, there are blasphemers who claim to be Christian, many of whom carry Bibles in their hands.

Here is a list of what all blasphemers have in common, whether or not they claim to be Christian:

  • they mock the God of the Bible (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) and refer to God with words and actions that bring dishonor to the Creator and Sustainer of the universe.they downplay sound, Biblical theology and teachings, and twist and misinterpret Scripture to conform to their particular belief system.
  • they play wiser than God, attempt to reduce God to their human level of mentality, and believe God can be manipulated according to their own thoughts, whims, and fancies.
  • to them, God is no more than a cool dude waving a peace sign, and a fellow goatee-wearing, earring-dangling beatnik with a good sense of humor.
  • they cause doubt, and even shipwreck the faith in weak and innocent believers. They drive the unsaved further into sin and further away from Jesus Christ (i.e., If this is Christianity, I want no part of it!).
  • they are severely malnourished in God’s written word, and driven by their own feelings, emotions, and experiences.
  • they rely on “new revelations” from their corrupt leaders, and consider themselves the holiest of all. Many have been conned into believing they are “God’s chosen army” who will usher in a worldwide revival.
  • they promote each other, mimic each other, and feed off of each other’s folly. They compete with each other to see who can come up with the most outlandish, blasphemous terms and catch-phrases.
  • they condition and desensitize new recruits over a period of time to believe what they say–even over the Bible. They are the deceived leading the deceived; the manipulated leading the manipulated.
  • they push the gullible into supporting their “ministry” with financial donations and by purchasing books, videos, and DVDs–all of which fund trips around the world and expensive lifestyles.
  • they ridicule discerning Christians who reach out with correction and rebuke, and warn them to “stop attacking” and “stop judging” the anointed. Yet, they stand guilty of the very thing they accuse others of doing.
  • those who disagree with their ungodly behavior and damnable teachings are considered either sub-Christian or religious zealots, Pharisees, cultists, fear-mongers, hate-mongers, sensationalists, liars, witch hunters, heresy hunters, unsaved, and haters of Jesus Christ, who are possessed by a “religious spirit.”

but in reality, in these last days it is they who are …lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; avoid such men as these (2 Timothy 3:1-5).

What you are about to read is a list of terms and catch-phrases from the mouths and writings of blasphemers within the hyper-Charismatic movement–a movement gone wild and, perhaps in some cases, mentally disturbed (refer to the YouTube video, John Crowder: Magic Carpet Ride by VinnieActs2030).

As you read the terms and catch-phrases, if you truly believe that Jesus is your drug, the Holy Spirit is a crack pipe, the gospel is thick and juicy mud, and that the glory of God is Papa’s milky goo, be encouraged to study the following Scriptures, for they are God’s written commands and warnings to those who flippantly mock and dishonor the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in callous disrespect, dishonor, and irreverence:

You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain (Exodus 20:7).

You shall not curse God, nor curse a ruler of your people (Exodus 22:28).

You shall not swear falsely by My name, so as to profane the name of your God; I am the LORD (Leviticus 19:2).

Whom have you reproached and blasphemed? And against whom have you raised your voice, and haughtily lifted up your eyes? Against the Holy One of Israel! (2 Kings 19:22)

“Now therefore, what do I have here,” declares the LORD, “seeing that My people have been taken away without cause?” Again the LORD declares, “Those who rule over them howl, and My name is continually blasphemed all day long” (Isaiah 52:5).

“Therefore, son of man, speak to the house of Israel and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “Yet in this your fathers have blasphemed Me by acting treacherously against Me” (Ezekiel 20:7).

Fools mock at sin, but among the upright there is good will (Proverbs 14:9).

For “THE NAME OF GOD IS BLASPHEMED AMONG THE GENTILES BECAUSE OF YOU,” just as it is written (Romans 2:24).

This command I entrust to you, Timothy, my son, in accordance with the prophecies previously made concerning you, that by them you fight the good fight, keeping faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith. Among these are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan, so that they will be taught not to blaspheme (1 Timothy 1:18-20).

Do they not blaspheme the fair name by which you have been called? (James 2:7)

And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven (Revelation 13:6).

Terms and catch-phrases of the ungodly:

Alcoholic Beverages (references to):

drunken bartender
Holy Ghost bartender
Jesus is my bartender
Godaholics
Holy Ghost drunks
angel bell figurine/statuette to summon bartender angels
drink with the fat Friars
angel cup for Godka (God + vodka)
Godka Holy Spirits
releasing the slobbery drunken glory
suckling Godka
drunken druelers
drunken slosh pit
drunk in the Spirit
drinking in the cemetery
drunk circus
drunken glory
drunkenness is holy
drunken masters
Guild of Drunken Masters
Extreme Drinking conference
firewater of God
holy intoxication
drinking with the Holy Ghost
heavy holiday drunken glory
drunken evangelism is dominion evangelism
loaded with the revelation beer of heaven
pop open a cold one and enjoy a frosty mug of revelation
suckle the wine vine
wasted on the revelation drinks
too drunk in the Spirit to drive
shot glass filled with streams of living water
“Yer gonna have to learn to hold yer liquor” (Bob Jones)

Animalistic behavior:

barking like dogs
growling, snarling in Jesus’ name
shaking like a mad dog
shaking uncontrollably
howling like wolves
crawling around on hands and knees (also wearing a leash)
hissing like snakes
clucking like chickens
chicken impartation (clucking sounds)
sheep impartation
oinking like pigs
piggy anointing
chirping like birds
drunken druelers
foaming at the mouth

Anointing:

piggy anointing (snorting sounds)
blitzed on the anointing
release of the pig anointing
party in the anointing
meth anointing (crystal meth)
imparting the anointing

Apostolic covering:

apostolic covering ball cap
apostolic government
apostolic global conquest
“Apostolic finger” (gesture with middle fingers)

Drugs (references to):

smoking Jehovahjuana
meth anointing (crystal meth)
angel pipe full of happy Pappy
Jesus is my drug
post-glory dust snorting impartation
heavenly portal of Holy Ghost crack
taking power hits off the baby Jesus
smoking the Holy Spirit crack pipe
smoking the cross of Christ
toking the Bible
huffing the Bible
smoking the Bible
licking the Bible
five layer toke
power injection off baby Jesus
The Crack Shop
smoking the Holy Spirit crack pipe in Papa’s pleasureland
huffing olive wood from the garden of Gethsemane
snorting dust from the tomb of Jesus Christ
smoking the Lamb of God

Glory of God:

swimming in Papa’s milky goo
glory shoobie-boobie juice
glory hose to heaven
glory-soaked
glory chunks
glory juice of our Papa
suckling Lucy the milk angel
bliss bashes
electrum Bliss
bliss bombs
hammered in the glory
buttery, intoxicating glory
blissed out on the God of ecstasy
immersing into electric solitude
possessed by a realm of supernatural glory
HA-HA-HA GLORY!
Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!
enigma realm of God’s glory
glory acceleration
no high like the most High
monkey bliss bombs
dominion glory
glory juice of Papa
trance formed by glory invasion
caught up in the ecstatic realm
releasing the slobbery drunken glory
releasing the glory
soaking in the glory
ecstatic trance
ecstasy trance
ecstatic worship
trance glory
tranced-out in the glory
heavy, trance-like glory
nuclear glory dew
revelatory realm of heaven
glory hose to heaven

Gospel:

gospel euphoria
the gospel is pure laughter!
buzz evangelism
birthing revival (man simulates childbirth with a beach ball)
baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and BAM!
smearing one’s face into the gospel like a pig in a trough
rolling around in the gospel like a pig in the mud
thick and juicy mud of the gospel
the real gospel, not the do-it-yourself kind

Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit:

inhaling the Holy Ghost
blowing the Holy Ghost
huffing the Holy Ghost
toking the Ghost
slinging the Holy Spirit
slinging the Shing Ding
smoking the Holy Spirit crack pipe
Holy Ghost pusher
hurricane of the Spirit
heavenly portal of Holy Ghost crack
infected with the Holy Ghost virus
dreuling (slobbering) in the spirit
take a ride on the mystical Holy Ghost carpet
throwing the mind through the Spirit
transporting in the Spirit
positioning yourself for transport in the Spirit
super sloshing in the Spirit
whacked in the Spirit
whacked up in the Holy Ghost
Holy Ghost crack of heaven
holy toking
heresy hunters hate Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit

Holy/Holiness of God:

circus holay (holy circus)
holy laughter
holy intoxication
holy whacking teachings
holy electricity
holy electrical buzz
crazy funk worship
tingling sensations in hands, arms, and body

Jesus Christ:

denial of the deity of Jesus Christ and the Trinity
Jesus had to be born again in hell
swimming in the fatty-ashes of the Lord Jesus
pentagram (taking it back in the name of Jesus)
laid-down lover of Jesus
Jesus, life of the party
Jesus hippies
jackin’ for Gzuz
naughty stuff in Jesus’ name
chamber room intimacy with Jesus
taking Jesus into the shower
fullness of Jesus’ deity imparted into your belly
High Priest of bliss
possessed by Mr. Bliss
slosh fest on the blood of Jesus
blood of Jesus makes you evil for inside and outside
smashed and drunk on the finished work of Jesus Christ
being high and drunk on Jesus’ Love
shigga-digga-ding-dong of Jesus
thick, sticky dew of the Lord
feast on the flesh of Jesus
snorting dust from the tomb of Jesus Christ
smoking the Lamb of God
smoking the baby Jesus
silly for da Lord
qwokked up on Jesus
jacked up on Jesus
jacked up on Jeebah
high on Jesus
Jesus junkie
Jesus is my drug
visits, visitations from “Jesus”
crazy like Jesus
Jesus is the true source of beer, vodka, and weed
Jesus juice
Lambinator (Lamb of God + Terminator)
Lambacide
Jesus trip
whacking the masses with Jesus juice!
whacked-out on Jesus
whacked up on the cross of Jesus Christ
permiwhacked on the gospel of Jesus Christ
permiwhacked on Jesus
Jesus injected into your spirit (with needle)
smoking the cross of Christ

Religion/Religious Spirit:

spirit of religion
religion is crap
crap flowing through the church
religious demonic persecution
persecutors of the Apostolic church
Jezebel religious system
sewage flowing down the aisles of church religion is crap
God’s doing away with all the religious doo-doo
Christian #2 doo-doo
religious demons/devils
mysticism
mystical schools
necromancy (communication with the dead)
levitation
prophetic numerology
stigmata (blood, oil, gold dust on hands)
restoration of mystical Christianity

False belief systems within the hyper-Charismatic movement:

Word of Faith
Manifest Sons of God
Dominionism
Kingdom Now
Latter Rain
New Apostolic Reformation
Apostolic Movement
Restoration Movement
Third Wave
New Breed
Signs and Wonders Movement
Toronto Blessing
Pensacola Outpouring
Lakeland Revival
Centering Prayer
Contemplative Spirituality
Mysticism
Indigenous Peoples Movement
International Coalition of Apostles

Closing comments…

In what can be best described as savagery in the name of God, the above terms and catch-phrases are the product of twisted minds, and a bi-product of doctrines of demons the Apostle Paul warned about in 1 Timothy 4:1-2.

Question: Why would anyone who claims to love God turn around and mock, scorn, and blaspheme His holy and precious Name? The Bible provides the answers:

For many walk, of whom I often told you, and now tell you even weeping, that they are enemies of the cross of Christ, whose end is destruction, whose god is their appetite, and whose glory is in their shame, who set their minds on earthly things (Philippians 3:18-19).

Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. But evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived (2 Timothy 3:12-13).

For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, who must be silenced because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain (Titus 1:10-11).

Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap (Galatians 6:7).

On the outside, the hyper-Charismatic movement is growing, and has spent years trying to convince Christians that its “apostles,” prophets, teachers, evangelists, and revivalists are legitimate and a “must have” within the body of Christ. But in the background, it has spent years producing a steady stream of male and female heretics, false prophets, and false healers.

But growth and popularity within what claims to be Christian doesn’t necessarily mean it is sanctioned by God. The hyper-Charismatic movement separated from truth and common sense many years ago. Thus, what appears to be a steady growth and popularity is, in reality, a steady decline and a fulfillment of Scripture:

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths (2 Timothy 4:3-4).

If God were their Father, they would love and understand Jesus Christ. Their terms and words would be filled with honor, respect, and humility for the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (John 8:42-44). But blasphemers mimic their father, the devil, who was cast out of heaven thousands of years ago. Unless there is repentance, those who blaspheme God will be prevented from entering heaven:

But these men revile the things which they do not understand; and the things which they know by instinct, like unreasoning animals, by these things they are destroyed. Woe to them! For they have gone the way of Cain, and for pay they have rushed headlong into the error of Balaam, and perished in the rebellion of Korah. These are the men who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted; wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever (Jude 1:10-13).

Blasphemers present a clear and present danger to the spiritual welfare of the believer, as well as those searching for the real Jesus Christ. The damage caused by these men and women to individuals, families, and the cause of Christ is beyond words.

Recommended reading and viewing:

Will The Real Blasphemers Please Stand Up? by Sandy Simpson

To Judge or Not to Judge: The Rights and Wrongs of Biblical Discernment

What God Has To Say About False Prophets

For the Love of Jesus Christ: When Paul was weak, he was strong

Videos by LocalPastor

Todd Bentley Articles Page

Todd Bentley Videos Page

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Jews and Christians Worship the Same God?

Posted by susanb99 on February 17, 2009

Do Jews and Christians Worship the Same God?
by Susan Bertalotto
February 2009

I have heard comments from people I know, and read articles on the internet that state:

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the Christian and Jewish God. The Jews don’t believe that Jesus is the Messiah, but why does that preclude them from reverencing the God of scripture?

I had answered that question one time with the fact that the Jewish god does not have a Son Jesus Christ, so they can’t be the same God. Big difference, right? The questioner retorted that the Jewish god is still the same God as they worshipped before Jesus came so nothing has changed.

But that just isn’t true. Jesus Christ IS God. So how can anyone say that without Jesus they are worshipping “God”? Jesus is the Word made flesh, the second Person of the Godhead who came to earth as fully God and fully human (John 1). If Jesus Christ is removed as a Person of the Godhead, then I suppose the Jews could say, at best, that they worship a “fractured” god which is a false god according to the Bible.

Why do so many Christians believe that the definition of God is “He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob”? How about Jesus Christ? The Jews have rejected Jesus as the Messiah, therefore they have rejected the true God. Some of those who believe this fallacy are Casey Treat and John Hagee, plus many more prominent Bible “teachers”. Be careful what you learn in Sunday’s sermons and on the internet. Do not be deceived.

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
1st John 2:22-23

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God’s Conundrum: Obama or McCain?

Posted by susanb99 on October 9, 2008

We all have a decision to make when voting for the next president of the United States: Obama or McCain? According to Kim Clement, the ElijahList prophet extraordinaire, God can’t decide who to place in the White House – it has become an extremely perplexing puzzle for him.

In March, Clement’s god told him to say that Obama was the person for the White House. See article HERE. In a complete reversal of his prophetic word, god said on September 5th through Clement:

For I will place in the White House, one that will call just by one word of prayer, and I shall come running…

When I place in the White House those who know how to pray, not just those who “paddy-whack” in prayer, not those who repeat and pray repetitious prayer, but those who know how to shake, to shake the very altar, those are the ones that shall bring into the marketplace this outpouring that I have planned… These four years will be energetic outpourings in every state… Alaska, you have offered unto me something [Sarah Palin] that I will use and breathe upon and bring a blessing of fire into that cold place…

The White House shall become the prayer house… And they will mock and say “It is the wild house because the Quakers have come”…

Because of President Bush… who prayed every day [Bush is a universalist], I am going to produce in the White House, Spirit-filled human beings that will pray with the Spirit and power.

Kim Clement’s god is quite confused and powerless, and is faced with a conundrum of such magnitude that he continues to tell his follower/priest Clement very conflicting words for the future. It is quite clear that this god does not know the future.

Only the one true God of the Bible can reveal the future, and He never contradicts his Word.

_______________              ___________________

The prophecy in full is posted below (emphasis in orginal on elijahlist.com):

Kim Clement:
This Resurrection that is Coming to My People will Bring Great Outpourings in Every State

Prophesied on September 5, 2008 – Oklahoma City, OKlahoma:

A Multiplication of Great Outpourings This is the season for the children. The adults who have lost childhood have become corpses. Children bring life to corpses. I’m hearing Him say, “When a man, when a woman, when they lose childhood, they grow into corpses. This is a season where your children have been given a marvelous opportunity.

“I hear men speak about the races, and how this race and that community; that city. There will be no election of cities anymore. For what I have done in Florida and what I have done in all of the beautiful places that I have rested, they are now graveyards.”

And God said, “This resurrection that is coming to My people will bring about a multiplication of great outpourings in every state in this Nation. For I will place in the White House, one that will call just by one word of prayer, and I shall come running. And it shall be said, ‘can a woman bring to this Nation the Spirit of God from a political house of power?’ Watch Me,” says the Lord, “watch Me, says the Lord!”

Energetic Outpourings in Every State

“When I place in the White House those who know how to pray, not those who ‘paddy whack’ in prayer, not those who repeat and pray repetitious prayers, but those who know how to shake, to shake the very altar, those are the ones that shall bring into the marketplace this outpouring that I have planned beyond the four walls of religion and that which they call the church.”

For God said, “These four years will be energetic outpourings in every state. And they will say, ‘let us go to Texas, for it is there; and they shall say no, no, no, no let us go to Florida for it is there; no let us go to Oklahoma for it is there. Truly.’ And they shall say, ‘where else? Go to California, it’s there, go to Arizona, it’s there.’ And they shall look at all of the states. Alaska, you have offered unto Me something that I will use and breathe upon and bring a blessing of fire into that cold place,” says the Lord! “I will do it,” says the Lord!

“And they shall say, ‘there’s fire everywhere, fire everywhere, consuming, consuming, consuming.’ There is fire everywhere coming from an energy that shall rapidly come.” So God says, “People, do not say, ‘you are not elected.'” For God said, “The elect of God have had a severe adversary as they have pushed through this great door that has opened. For the great adversary that has stood at your door has now been put under your feet, therefore, run through that door, run through that door, run through that door,” says the Spirit of God!

The Lord says, “The White House shall become the prayer house. The White House shall be called the prayer house. And then they will mock and say, ‘it is the White House,’ and then they will mock and say, ‘it is the wild house because the Quakers have come.’ And they will say, ‘there is even shaking there and trembling.'”

God said, “This is going to be as a result, and even though many men have hated this President – of his own battle with a Babylonian prince with a Babylonian spirit – that has endeavored to take this Nation and bring it to its knees. Because of President Bush,” God said, “who prayed every day, I am going to produce in the White House, Spirit-filled human beings that will pray with the Spirit and power. And they will not be ashamed of it.”

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Targeting the Children: False Prophets Duping Christian Parents

Posted by susanb99 on April 27, 2008

This article, along with new posts and articles, can also be read on Revival Time, a new Simplicity In Christ blog

Todd Bentley, Patricia King, and Bob Jones, prophets of the Elijah List, what do they have in common? All three of them are targeting your children in order to lift them into a “third heaven” occultic sphere, using meditation, contemplative prayer, angels of light (satan and his demons), emotional manipulation, and blatant lies.

In the following video, Bob Jones, Todd Bentley, and Patricia King speak of this contemplative practice of entering into the “third heaven”:

KING: Todd, I remember years ago, you gave me a phone call and you said ‘Hey, I’ve just been soaking with Bob Jones and I’ve gone up into the “third heaven”‘ and all that. And it was all new to me; I’d never even heard of that kind of language before and I was SO hungry for it. But tell about the first time you met Bob and your encounters in the third heaven.

BENTLEY: The first time I met Bob was actually in Grants Pass, Oregon. We were sitting in a restaurant and I was really hungry; I knew Bob was a real seer prophet. I thought ‘Lord I’m going to get an impartation’. I’ve been having all these encounters and all these visions and experiences already soaking, but I thought ‘Lord I need to talk to somebody that’s been walking in this that’s really a senior prophet’. So when I met Bob, I thought ‘Lord, I’m going to get an impartation’ and I remember talking with Bob in a restaurant about going into the heavens and what it was and we were talking about the “third heaven”, going into the immediate abode, into that place, the dwelling place of God. And I thought ‘That’s awesome!’. I was hungry for it too; I wanted more! ‘Cause, up until that point, sovereignly God was just visiting me. And I was just waiting in His presence and sovereignly God was visiting me. And Bob said to me, he said, ‘We can go right now!’ And I said ‘What do you mean, we can go right now?! We can make the decision right now and enter into that realm of the spirit?’. And he said, “Sure we can! Don’t you have faith, boy?!’. Or something like that. (laughter) That what he said to me…

[…](description of occultic experience into the third heaven)[…]

KING: Well, I remember when you [Bentley] were telling me about it, I got so hungry for it. And right after that Bob was coming to a conference that we were having… I was going to just ask him all kinds of questions about this third heaven, I didn’t know, because I wanted to know. I wanted to experience God in a new way; and I think we all do; we’re all so hungry for Him, right? But I hadn’t caught yet, because you had told me about the experience but not the faith dimension, so I was just still thinking ‘Sovereignty’. God’s sovereignly going to move, take me out, well whatever. So I’m asking Bob questions and Bob, you said ‘Well, I do my raptures every day!’. I said ‘What do you mean, your raptures every day?’. He said ‘I go up every day!’. And I said ‘You go up EVERY DAY! I’d love to go up every day!’ And he said ‘Well, it’s by faith!‘…

A person’s FAITH supersedes God’s SOVEREIGNTY??

Bentley, Jones, and King declare they are going past the sovereignty of God into a contemplative heavenly experience. In scripture there is only one who declares himself to be as high as God — satan:

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Isaiah 14:14

9:00 minutes into the video:

JONES: A lot of people see a lot of different colors [when in the third heaven], but when I take the children up most of the time, they see the “white light“. And they see the white throne, and nearly everything they see up there is white! That’s what God IS, is white light! But you got all the colors in it. And up there they see one another as white light, for they ARE light.

KING: Wow! I remember you saying to me one time, you said, if you can teach children to ascend into the third heaven and live out of that place then you will have a generation that will not be affected by the devil because the devil can’t go there. Isn’t that profound!?

JONES: Yep! Well, youth and children they hardly have any problem at all going there, especially 6 to 12. They go right up and I’ve seen them take them up and turn them loose! And then after you turn them loose, the first thing they’ll do, they’ll tell you what they’ve seen. So a lot of times with them, I let them tell me what they’ve seen, and then I interpret it to them. And then sometimes I will say, ‘Okay, go up again and see what you see for me’. And I’ll tell you some of the most seer prophecies I’ve got, come from some of them 6, 7, 8 years old! And some of the conferences I’ve been in, when the youth go up, I’ll tell those, the speakers of the conferences, you want blessed, go let the children pray for you. And see, they go continually there! They haven’t been taught the doubt that we have here.

In this video of Bentley’s Lakeland Healing Revival in Florida, Bentley talks about an angel of light in regards to children:

6:42 minutes into the video:

We’re going to have an anointing service because the Lord spoke to me about families and He was going to visit. I saw the angel today that was going to visit the children. I saw the angel that only two times have I seen that is going to visit the children. I tell you what, there is a glory moving into the room. Just go ahead and just… Ohhhh! Get under that! Ohhh! Ohhh! Lord, let it move across the whole place! A drunken glory! Heavy, heavy, weighty, weighty, weighty glory! Smoky glory, Shekinah glory, in all the colors in the glory!…

On Bentley’s site:

Todd saw the Glory Cloud of Revelation… that is, the cloud that is the fullness of the Holy Spirit, the seven Spirits of God. The Lord also showed Todd in the vision, an old Punjabi sadhu (holy man) [Ed. note: mystic], by the name of Sundar Singh, who lived in India and evangelized throughout the world over a hundred years ago. The Holy Spirit spoke to Todd about a new release of prophetic revelation coming… Todd examines the significance of Sundar Singh in his vision as an example of the extraordinary relationship God wants us to have with Him. It’s a wonderful life of devotion, humility, daily discipline, worship and contemplative prayer that calls us daily to soak in and seek God’s manifest presence. (emphasis added)

From Wolf Tracks site:

Why would God give his children a vision of a contemplative who combined the East and West in his meditative disciplines? Is this where Todd Bentley’s ideas about visions, spirituality, and ’soaking’ prayer are coming from?

Why would God, indeed. Bentley, King, and Jones are occultic mystics, doing the works of the flesh, a form of godliness but denying the power thereof (2nd Timothy 3:5). The power of God is not in evidence, nowhere to be found in their false teachings.

The fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23):

Love
Joy
Peace
Longsuffering
Gentleness
Goodness
Faith
Meekness
Temperance

The fruit or evidence of the Spirit is not false doctrines (heresies), excitement, shaking, barking, laughing uncontrollably, getting a shove from the preacher to be “slain in the spirit”, jumping in “the river”, etc., etc., etc…

Parents, please do not allow your children to be involved in these occultic experiences. Pay attention to what is being taught — not only their teachings but yours as well. Check EVERYTHING against the Word of God.

Related Article:
Fake ‘Child Faith Healers’: Passing the Occult Mantle to the Children

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Emergent MIND Change

Posted by susanb99 on April 25, 2008

From Herescope:

“A new world, as the mystics have always said, is a new mind.”
-Marilyn Ferguson, The Aquarian Conspiracy:Personal and Social Transformation in the 1980s
(J.P. Tarcher, 1980), p. 36 [emphasis added]

“The mystery of the creative/intuitive mind is underscored in the ‘perennial wisdom‘, which finds the deep intuition connected to the one Universal Mind. Thus there are indeed no limits to its capabilities save those the individual creates as part of the resistance to discovering one’s godlike qualities. Furthermore, because of this connection to the All, problem solutions, which come from the deep intuition will be solutions that benefit all, not one at the expense of others.”

– Willis Harman, Global Mind Change: The New Age Revolution in the Way We Think
(Warner Books, 1988), p. 88 [emphasis added]

Dr. Dennis Cuddy, in his bi-weekly NewsWithViews column on April 7 made a startling observation. Cuddy, an historian and author with expertise in the mental health arena, noticed that there were similarities in Brian McLaren‘s new book everything must change: Jesus, Global Crises, and a Revolution of Hope and Eckhart Tolle‘s new book touted by Oprah’s Book Club, A New Earth: Awakening to Your Life’s Purpose. Both authors define mental illness in terms of wrong belief systems which are harming the planet:

McLaren in his book continued to explain that this failed Christian religion’s threats of hell “lose their effect when those making the threats seem a little defensive, deranged, out of touch, manic…..” Note that he’s saying they are mentally ill! This is similar to New Ager Marilyn Ferguson in THE AQUARIAN CONSPIRACY: PERSONAL AND SOCIAL TRANSFORMATION IN THE 1980s (1980) saying that if people will get rid of “crippling belief systems,” they can have a “transformation of consciousness” and find “sanity within.” More recently, it sounds like Eckhart Tolle’s A NEW EARTH: AWAKENING TO YOUR LIFE’S PURPOSE (2005) promoted by Oprah’s Book Club. He asserts that all of those expressing the certainty that “I am right and you are wrong” are a “dangerous thing in religions.” It reflects a “collective mental illness.” Tolle characterizes “sin” as simply “missing the point” of human existence and suggests that “Eastern wisdom teachings” allow us to “let go of dogmas” and “rigid belief systems.” He also relates that in THE HOLY BIBLE “a new heaven” actually refers to “the emergence of a transformed state of human consciousness.” Note again the terms “mental illness” and “transformed.” (“Transformation by Crises and Synthesis”)

Indeed the two books do bear a basic similarity in their underlying premise that man’s belief systems (i.e., particularly orthodox Christian theology) are deranged and need to undergo a basic “shift” that will result in “transformation” necessary for the survival of the planet.

Read More…

 

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Alpha Course Added to Spiritual Formation List

Posted by susanb99 on April 21, 2008

From Lighthouse Trails Blog:

Lighthouse Trails Research has added the Alpha Course to its Spiritual Formation list. This list is comprised of Christian organizations that are promoting Spiritual Formation (i.e., contemplative spirituality). It is the hope of Lighthouse Trails that believers can be made aware of this fast growing spirituality that negates biblical Christianity because of its mystical, panentheistic roots.

In an article titled “The Power of Alpha,” it states that USA Alpha president Todd Hunter is “excited about the marriage of spiritual formation and evangelism that Alpha brings.” Regarding spiritual formation, Hunter states

You’ve probably heard me articulate my vision to connect evangelism and spiritual formation into a seamless whole…. This requires what my friend Richard Foster is calling “The With-God Life.” Come to the International Renovare Conference and you will hear Richard, Dallas Willard, and others discuss The With-God Life. These are my favorite teachers I personally go anywhere, anytime to interact with.

On Hunter’s blog where he made this statement, he also invited visitors to attend a special lunch with Brian McLaren (already past). 1

In addition to Hunter’s hope to use Alpha as an avenue for spiritual formation, the following statement on another Alpha site backs this up:

My Anglican friends in England are very enthusiastic about the Alpha conference. At a time when many are seeking spiritual formation in the context of congregational life, the Alpha conference format has the potential to meet those expectations.”2

To understand the foundational problems with Alpha and to see its New Age implications, please examine our research on the Alpha Course. Much of this research comes from the tireless efforts of Dusty Peterson and Elizabeth McDonald, who have provided extensive documentation on Alpha (including their book, Alpha, the Unofficial Guide).

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Mark Driscoll and Purpose Driven

Posted by susanb99 on April 17, 2008

Rick Warren has scheduled a pastors’ conference at Saddleback Church next month. The aim is to “band together to impact the world” by participating in “a brand-new, world-shattering, myth-busting, ministry-affirming, God-anointed, BY-INVITATION-ONLY event. We’re going to share all the new tools we’ve been developing for you.”

Included in the list of speakers is Mark Driscoll. What is a supposedly Bible-teaching pastor doing at a purpose-driven conference? Teaching the Bible is not one of them. Let’s see, where would Driscoll fit in? (my notes in brackets; emphasis added)

PANEL DISCUSSIONS:

Evangelism: …we’ll talk about the importance of personal evangelism, and share what has helped challenge our members to go out in the Community and invite their friends. Let’s talk about reaching out to non-believers in our area and seeing Christ through their eyes.

[preaching/teaching the Gospel is not part of PD’s Evangelism]

 

Worship: …In this panel we’ll discuss tools for reaching the weekend Crowd, messages geared toward personal application, the advantages of using various venues styles, and preaching for life change…

[non-believers CANNOT worship God; God must be worshipped in spirit and in truth (Jesus Christ)]

 

Fellowship: …we’ll address common goals and problem areas in encouraging our Congregation to connect with the church body…

[in order to produce a cheerfully tithing “giving unit”]

 

Discipleship: …we’ll break down what we’ve found to work, and what doesn’t work, in motivating the Committed individuals within the church body to truly invest in their spiritual growth, and brainstorm on how to get people serious about their faith…

[just look to scripture and “what works” is easy to find; Warren likes to make it seem soooo difficult]

 

Ministry: …we’ll cover how to further push the dedicated Core at the heart of the church to discover their spiritual gifts, how to progress them from finding their S.H.A.P.E. to using it… and preparing them for “works of service so that the body of Christ may be built up”.

[how bogus; the SHAPE program was invented by Warren with the help of the writings of occultist/atheist Carl Jung; it is in no way scriptural]

 

Mission: …Our goal is to spread love, forgiveness, and hope to a lost and hurting world through P.E.A.C.E…

[the love of the world, forgiveness without repentance, and false hope]

Online Source

Where does Driscoll fit it? In order to be involved he will have to lay aside scripture and be part of Warren’s plan to change and take over the world. For Christ, supposedly but actually changing the world is for Warren’s benefit and glory. It is sad that Driscoll is mixed up with this lot. Very sad.

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From the Desk of Steve Shultz – The Nature of (False) Prophecy

Posted by susanb99 on April 16, 2008

Recently I posted about Kim Clement’s Obama prophecy in which Clement claims “God” told him to tell us that Obama is God’s man for the White House “to rule and to reign and to declare victory in the Middle East” (whose victory? Israelis’ or Palestinians’?). Read the post HERE.

The prophecy is posted on elijahlist.com which is run by Steve Shultz. Before Shultz posts each prophecy, he writes a little about the prophecy. The following is part of what Mr. Shultz wrote about Clement’s Obama prophecy:

From the Desk of Steve Shultz–ITEM IMPORTANT

Tuesday, April 8 at 1:01pm, I received this Word by Kim Clement regarding Obama. It was sent in and approved by Kim’s staff. Notice the words “APPROVED” below. It’s also about things such as “unity,” the “economy” etc. Again, this is NOT my personal endorsement…

I also don’t necessarily see it as Kim’s personal endorsement either–he seeks to speak what he hears only…

I always take prophecies like this and read them over and over–trying to determine EXACTLY what is or IS NOT being said…

We post controversial prophecies like this one–as always–for prayer and discernment. For those who are new to this list, it is possible that we would publish more future words from other prophets that would appear to contradict this word. That’s the nature of prophecy...

(emphasis in original – click here to read in full)

Note what he himself has highlighted in his note. Contradictory prophecies are normal and are the nature of prophecy. According to Shultz, Clement only prophesies what he hears even if it contradicts what “God” supposedly said through another prophet. I suppose if some other prophet hears from “God” that John McCain would be elected President of the U.S., it would also be a valid prophecy from God. You see, that’s the problem with flighty prophets such as those from the Elijah List. There isn’t any consistency and they demean God by saying He contradicts Himself!

It takes a lot of adacity and gall to shake their collective fists in God’s face and say “Hey, we don’t care what You have actually said through Your Word, through Scripture! We’ll just make up the words as we go along and tell everyone it’s from YOU! We have to make money somehow, don’t we?” Directly after the note from the desk of Steve Shultz, and before Clement’s prophecy, two of Clement’s “BRILLIANT products” are offered – for cash of course.

It is simply amazing that there are “christians” who believe that the prophecies of the Elijah List are from God. No, they are not. Can’t be. Those prophets are listening to a different voice.

Related Article
Channeling God

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